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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2010, 01:51:10 AM »
Its not about anything being in the same league as anything else, its about 4 and 6 pot Carltons being so closely related that the owners of both can benefit from working together and from each others knowledge.

The remaining numbers of both are very low and the owners of both are all likely to be enthusiasts so why have a club only accept some of the cars based on nothing more than the number of pots?

Its not a matter of drumming up members at all, it really is just Carlton enthusiasts wanting what is best for Carlton enthusiasts, the reason being that owners of larger engined Carltons generally dont look down on less pots at all, and appreciate the 4 pot cars just as much as their own.

Personally I only have Carlton GSis, I still come on here though and will continue to. If I looked down on all but GSis then I wouldnt bother to venture away from ABS. The fact is that I appreciate all of the cars and would be equally happy helping someone with a 4 pot as a 6 pot and equally happy talking to said owner parked beside me on the showfield.


Why the change you may wonder.
Well I can only give my opinion, years ago 6 pot cars were a bit special, not owned by someone looking for a cheap family car, already owned by enthusiasts, that was certainly the case when I first bought one.
At the same time thousands of 4 pot Carltons were being used as cheap transport by people who didnt care a bit for them and bought them as cheap reliable motoring until they got scrapped.

What has changed is the owners of these cars, they are now the same people who own the 6 pot cars, genuine enthusiasts, if they werent there wouldnt be a TC forum.
All Carltons are a bit special now where to be frank at one time 4 pot Carltons werent, its not an insult, they were good cars, just not in need of an enthusiast community.


One last thing, you can of course (as mentioned) enjoy great support from TC, and long may that continue, that also applies to the 6 pot cars.
There is however still plenty to gain from being an ABS member if it suits you, if there wasnt then I wouldnt bother, Id come on here only, after all I wouldnt give away 20 for something I already have.

ABS and TC are both good but not the same, for me its worth being part of both and owners of 4 pot cars would find the same if they become ABS eligible.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 01:54:12 AM by chris »

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2010, 11:06:59 AM »
Depends on what 4 pot engine they're running! :D

Ahem brother!

Damn,   Sorry i said that lol....   :D  Didnt take into account,  "certain"  people haha

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2010, 03:14:51 PM »
Sad to say ABS membership was not a good experience for me, while I had my Senny I had a few good comments from club members but on the whole they tended to stick to their own little groups (I appreciate that this is only my experience - others may have had better ones).

When I finally passed it on to Tetley and got my 4 pot Carlton GLi I had to go to an ABS meet to pick up some bits from an ABS member - bear in mind that at this stage my GLi had Dippy wheels and was (and still is) a damn good looker.
The club member that I was buying the parts from was more than friendly but the almost disgusted looks I had from some of the other guys (presumably because I had dared to bring a 4 pot to a 6 pot meeting) left me with a bad taste and I resolved never to show my face there again even if I went back to a 6 pot.

I am not tarring all ABS members here, far from it but my experience was not good, the camaraderie within TC is much better - there seems to be less elitism and more of a down to earth good old fashioned 'Welcome' no matter what you are driving, that is how a good club should be.

Just my experience guys, so no, I wouldn't join ABS again - sorry but that is the way it is.
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2010, 03:21:30 PM »
My experience was, I'm sorry to say, pretty much the same as John's and I had no qualms at all about letting my membership lapse.
I found that I just couldnt get the same kind of help there that I could here which is a shame.

However there are a few absolute diamonds on there who did pull out the stops in a pinch - if there were a few more like them ABS would be a far better place IMHO.

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2010, 12:43:32 AM »
I had a mixed experience as an ABS member for a few years, the older 'high ranking' members were very upturned and I was rejected from having my car on the stand... so much so that I had to hitch a lift with another ABS member to attend the Ducksford Aerodrome show!

On the flipside the local ABS members and the local ABS pub meet was fantastic and I learnt a great deal from the likes of Graham Cornell and Taz/Nick Cole.
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2010, 06:09:06 PM »
Its not about anything being in the same league as anything else, its about 4 and 6 pot Carltons being so closely related that the owners of both can benefit from working together and from each others knowledge.

The remaining numbers of both are very low and the owners of both are all likely to be enthusiasts so why have a club only accept some of the cars based on nothing more than the number of pots?

Its not a matter of drumming up members at all, it really is just Carlton enthusiasts wanting what is best for Carlton enthusiasts, the reason being that owners of larger engined Carltons generally dont look down on less pots at all, and appreciate the 4 pot cars just as much as their own.

Personally I only have Carlton GSis, I still come on here though and will continue to. If I looked down on all but GSis then I wouldnt bother to venture away from ABS. The fact is that I appreciate all of the cars and would be equally happy helping someone with a 4 pot as a 6 pot and equally happy talking to said owner parked beside me on the showfield.


Why the change you may wonder.
Well I can only give my opinion, years ago 6 pot cars were a bit special, not owned by someone looking for a cheap family car, already owned by enthusiasts, that was certainly the case when I first bought one.
At the same time thousands of 4 pot Carltons were being used as cheap transport by people who didnt care a bit for them and bought them as cheap reliable motoring until they got scrapped.

What has changed is the owners of these cars, they are now the same people who own the 6 pot cars, genuine enthusiasts, if they werent there wouldnt be a TC forum.
All Carltons are a bit special now where to be frank at one time 4 pot Carltons werent, its not an insult, they were good cars, just not in need of an enthusiast community.


One last thing, you can of course (as mentioned) enjoy great support from TC, and long may that continue, that also applies to the 6 pot cars.
There is however still plenty to gain from being an ABS member if it suits you, if there wasnt then I wouldnt bother, Id come on here only, after all I wouldnt give away 20 for something I already have.

ABS and TC are both good but not the same, for me its worth being part of both and owners of 4 pot cars would find the same if they become ABS eligible.

i'm not at either end, as i have a 4 pot carlton and a 6 pot senator. The senny is the fun run around, and the carly is the 'getting to work' and back, general lug about car, but i wouldnt and dont just have it as a cheap run around and then scrap it, i love it, even if it is only half the power of the senny, but given the choice if ihad to sell one, i would sell the 6pot senny and keep my 4pot carly.

This may be a pointless point about my likes and dislikes between these cars, but more of a point of putting out that we shouldnt be catorgrized just on the number of cylinders our car has (excuss all the spelling)

So im afraid im slowly changing my mind back to not joining im afraid. As its been stated that ABS might not even allow 4pot car owners to join anyway, that to me sounds like these 4pot cars aint worthy enuff or something, and looked down upon by some ABS members (As Murph stated) and got no help, and as John has said about his experience, iv just herd to many bad vibes about the club, which is a shame.
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2011, 04:04:03 PM »
Having just read all of these points and after having 10 Carlton/Senator variants, I personally feel the 4 pot Carltons are the star of the range and I cannot see why we should feel in any way be grateful at being 'let in' to the 6 pot community. I currently have a 2.6 Carlton and a 4 pot Carlton so I could presumably join anyway. However, 4 pot Carltons are still practical everyday cars and are more comfortable and robust than most recent offerings, thereby affirming their previous reputation for brilliance ie by how current they still are.

I am not convinced that the 6 pot variants fall so comfortably into the current times.

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2011, 10:23:28 PM »
Sorry people had a bad experience - you get out what you put in

Give nothing - get nothing - much like here

I hate threads like this - nothing good comes from it

I've ignored the thread long enough

Logging out - again
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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2011, 11:32:05 PM »
Ian, remember you well mate, you were (and still are) one of the good guys - you did me more than a few favours and are one of the more approachable members.

Hard to put a lot in when doors seem closed mate, your door (metaphorically speaking) was, and is as far as I know, open to everybody.
The same couldn't be said for many others, not wanting to start a war of words, and as you say, nothing good comes from threads like this but my experience was not good, for all the miles I travelled to meetings I think that shows a fair bit of commitment on my part, I had more than a few admirers of my 'Green Goddess' for sure but that was about it. It was a little 'cliquey' (sorry for the spelling before anyone picks me up on it) for my liking, within TC there is just a bit more friendliness and open arms from day 1.

I appreciate that others may have had a better experience than me and in your case (and one or two others) you made the experience for me better because you are so open and approachable.
The last time I visited was to collect parts from an ABS member in a 4 pot (as I have said already in my previous post) and it left me with a very bad taste, I felt like a jew in a mosque (can I say that?  Ooh, a bit contraversial there... :D).
For me, it was the final nail in the coffin of ABS membership, even if I did go back to a 6 pot.
Sorry mate but I have to be honest about it, without wishing to sound like I am kissing a*se here, more like you would have made it a better experience.

Keep well Dude, always interested in what you have to say.  ;)
« Last Edit: January 28, 2011, 11:34:07 PM by Johnraka »
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2011, 12:41:20 PM »
Hmmm - the idea of this thread was to try and evaluate the general public's perception of the ABS and would people join if 4 pots were 'allowed in' as it were.not to try and find fault with the club or any of it's members.

Sorry people had a bad experience - you get out what you put in

Give nothing - get nothing - much like here

I hate threads like this - nothing good comes from it

I've ignored the thread long enough

Logging out - again

Pity you feel like that Mr. Child - obviously up to you what you think and do, but as said, you are a good guy inasmuch as you're willing to share knowledge and help as best you can, which I have to say is alot - above and beyond the call of duty.

Gotta agree with the 'you get out what you put in' comment - so true!



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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2011, 03:00:55 PM »
dunno what the fuss is about, theyre all carltons...does it really matter that much being 4 or 6 cyl, one of mine had a toyota supra motor in and one a ford 2.0 turbo motor ..does that count...

i think its being a bit "elitist" just to have the 6 cyl' motors in, but i just like the carlton with any motor...

i 've had a lot of 4 cyl carltons, and a few GSI's....but it does'nt matter to me which club i join...

tbh, i quite like this one...cos quite fond of manta's, chevettes, kadettes ...

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2011, 12:21:13 PM »
Hope we havent lost BC forever!

Didnt even see this thread to be honest, had a blind spot to the top of this subforum.. we could probably do with a tidy up :)
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2011, 01:07:08 PM »
Hear hear to that Colonel - the man is a 'Vauxhall God' in my book, be a shame to lose him and his input... :'(
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2011, 01:49:24 AM »
I logged out cos if I didn't I'd write something in haste and probably it would come across all wrong and it would result in a whole load of slagging

So I'm just gonna state some points

- The ABS has long been a 6 pot club (wrong in my opinion - a carlton is still a carlton regardless of the number of cyls and I've always been against the 4 pot exclusion)

- I'm not alone in this opinion and several members are actively trying to get the 4 pot cars included (I support their efforts would be nice if there was support elsewhere too)

- I joined the ABS with a Carlton 1.8Li (guess what they learned stuff from me that applied to the 6 pot cars! - OK I ended up with a 6 cyl or two or three - OK a lot but bottom line is knowledge shared makes a huge difference to all!!)

- Opinions on the ABS club and some or all of it's members get right up my nose (it's what you make of it - too many people in this shitty world expect everything to be done for them - lazy selfish twats and I've no time for them - there are people in the ABS club I will avoid at shows - we just don't see the world the same - not a problem for me they are out numbered 100:1 with people I love to socialise with)

I think the original post was well meaning and intended to promote some discussion - it just didn't go in the direction it probably should have done

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2011, 08:59:08 AM »
Agree with Ian ^

The ABS is the same as any other Car Club I've experienced. It has the same benefits, the same problems and the same aims.

There are always going to be people in groups that an individual doesn't get on with. Likewise there are going to be people you really do get on with. Take a look around at your workplace, or your family even.

I've deliberately avoided posting here before on this thread, but it's taken a turn that was never intended by the originator and it's one I'm not overly keen on. IMHO it shows TC in a poor light.

I have experienced both sides to ABS (and I have posted as much on the forum there). To me though, I'll ignore the bad and enjoy the good. Same here or anywhere really. I don't have the time or inclination to dwell on feeling bitter about these things.

I respect that everyone is entitled to their opinion and that some members here hav had experience of ABS (good or bad) and this will alter their opinions accordingly.

The ABS is open to enthusiasts, so you don't need to own or even intend to own a 4-pot to join. Just being interested in the cars is enough , and I would guess that 99% of people here wpould have that interest as they are here due to an interest in Carltons!

It is demoralizing and frustrating to those who give their time up for the benefit of others, in whatever capacity, to see the efforts being questioned, critisized or downright attacked personally.

I may be going off topic a little, but it seems to be a whole mindset of keyboard warriors these days and it pisses me right off.

As said before, a car club is what you make of it. If you don't get on with someone there, avoid them and move on. We're all grown ups. If you don't enjoy the atmosphere of a place or club, fine, but don't get hooked up on one or two people or incidents.

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2011, 08:38:57 PM »
ok my two pence worth

i will be joining abs for the sheer fact it is a more specific club i will be also retaining my vodc membership as i have an astra too i

as you all will (or most of you)know i have the monster but i have a four pot too (in bits at the mo) and i am willing to travel to the agm to vote for the four pot cause

i avoided joining abs for various reasons none of which are really good ones but i now feel after we (the admin staff)have discussed trying to turn T.C. into a club and become vboa affiliated that it is not something we can really do at this time

most of the people who know me know i am fairly plain spoken and will tell it how it is so watch this space

anyway enough from me i will report back in due course
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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2011, 08:46:31 PM »
The last three posts are more like the kind of response I was hoping for - not merely putting ABS in a good or bad light, but objective, fair and 'real' posts.

Thanks guys!

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Re: Autobahnstormers
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2011, 08:53:05 PM »
There is also the logical fact that the Carlton/Senator is a very much dying breed, if ABS is to survive for much longer... they are going to need all of us, 4-pots and all!
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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2011, 08:58:27 PM »
There is also the logical fact that the Carlton/Senator is a very much dying breed, if ABS is to survive for much longer... they are going to need all of us, 4-pots and all!

 I agree - but try getting the ABS proletariat to vote in favour!

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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2011, 09:07:16 PM »
There is also the logical fact that the Carlton/Senator is a very much dying breed, if ABS is to survive for much longer... they are going to need all of us, 4-pots and all!

This may be the case, but many of the cars going to the breakers are non members of any club.

If they knew people were out to help, that vehicle may have lived a little longer or helped others too.

Welding apart (in my mind 85% go for this reason) all other issues are known and solvable.

For my part ABS is a good club, My two GSI's are far better vehicles for the bits that I've been able to buy from other ABS Club members.

With building "specials" like my 3.7 Diamond, my principle of building once and only once would be a pipe dream without parts available from other ABS members.

Also remember a lot of ABS members are also prolivic posters on other sites including TC.

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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2011, 09:26:54 PM »
Is it that important to us that ABS should expand the range of vehicles they find acceptable ?

We seem to have a pretty vibrant and 'welcome to all' international forum here with a wide range of expertise freely available to its participants !

People sending their cars to the breakers have no interest in preserving them anyway, otherwise they would have found TC: Unfortunately, many of the remaining Carltons are in the hands of people who are just running them as cheap hacks.

If anyone feels that ABS caters more specifically for their needs, then certainly join them; they couldn't lose from it !

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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2011, 10:15:57 PM »
Is it that important to us that ABS should expand the range of vehicles they find acceptable ?
Personally, I think so, as Mr. child hinted at - good shared info and cross-posting helps everyone!

People sending their cars to the breakers have no interest in preserving them anyway,

Gotta disagree with that - there's a few on here and ABS that will strip a badly corroded shell so that other cars may live longer from the donor.
Somtimes, you simply have to give up the cause! ;)

........otherwise they would have found TC:


Would they though?
There's still a helluva lot of people out there with no internet access - or desire to have it.
(TBH, I don't see where that fits in with the thread, but fair point all the same! ;))

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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2011, 10:25:16 PM »
Is it that important to us that ABS should expand the range of vehicles they find acceptable ?
Personally, I think so, as Mr. child hinted at - good shared info and cross-posting helps everyone!

I couldn't agree more: Perhaps my impressions are wrong, but I feel that ABS are not interested in that ?


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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2011, 10:27:31 PM »
There is also the logical fact that the Carlton/Senator is a very much dying breed, if ABS is to survive for much longer... they are going to need all of us, 4-pots and all!

 I agree - but try getting the ABS proletariat to vote in favour!

20 people would be enough at the AGM  ;) Said that many times  ;D
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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2011, 10:29:08 PM »
Is it that important to us that ABS should expand the range of vehicles they find acceptable ?
Personally, I think so, as Mr. child hinted at - good shared info and cross-posting helps everyone!

I couldn't agree more: Perhaps my impressions are wrong, but I feel that ABS are not interested in that ?

I can understand where you are coming from......
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