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Title: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on July 27, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
I thought i'd post this up on TC as i was unsure if you guy's knew some of the facts about this rare and stunning car....(apologies to ABS members, esp Pedro and anyone else who's already read this as I have posted it on other forums before!) ;)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/scanTS60001.jpg)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS60002.jpg)

As a young boy growing up in the 1980's, i was easily impressed with this V8 Monster Vauxhall had created and then used to promote and sell its then flag-ship Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000's....Maybe this car is to blame for my unhealthy Carlton obesession! ??? ??? ???

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090070.jpg)

Dressed in spats, spoilers and covered by a brilliant white Kevlar overcoat, the TS6000 hides a menacing Detroit 6.0Litre V8 from a Chevrolet heart. The 600bhp thrust is contained by a simple yet effective live rear axle and halted by stunning 14inch frying pans that double up as brake discs. This was a serious blood and guts racing car! 8) 8) 8)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080040.jpg)

Its acceleration was awesome, it will hit 100mph from rest in just 8seconds. It can do 0 - 168mph in less than 25seconds, the mundane 0 - 60mph consumed in around 4seconds! This Carlton TS6000 was built by Dave Cook Racing Services, Sheriff Hutton, York, around a genuine Carlton bodyshell. This was a Carlton created by a factory and Dealer funded team to win the club racing Thundersaloon series. A search of the net will show you how successful Vauxhall Dealer Sport, racing manager Bill Cleland, Dave Cook Racing Services and Swindon Race engines have been.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080038.jpg)

The car was built up for some appearances in the 1987 Thundersaloon series, in fact it won 4 races for John Cleland and Vince Woodman in that exploratory season, but the objective was always to prepare thoroughly for a full assault on the 1988 championship which paid dividends.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090068.jpg)

Externally it is all in Kevlar panel components, the appearance originally styled by the factory people at Luton with as few alterations from the standard Carlton shape as were practical for a racing car. The basic shell is in steel and is genuine Carlton, no stretched wheelbase or anything like that. Even the door frames are in steel, but the shell itself did have to be modified around the central transmission tunnel to accept an Xtrac-Hewland and DGB 5 speed gearbox. That is the same type of box as is used in Indy cars and has the handy feature of being able to drop the back off the gearbox for quick gear ratio changes. The clutch is a triple plate job and you will find the differential does not have a limited slip action, just a solid and permanent lockup.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090067.jpg)

The TS6000's body also had to be modified at the rear. In the middle it had to accommodate a live axle layout with what was regarded as a pretty straightforward 4link, Watts linkage, coil and damper layout. Up front the Carlton uses a strut and roll bar system derived from the Holden Commodore the team raced as a Senator back in 1986.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090066.jpg)

Both ends were damped by Bilstein and employed substantial roll bars to restrain an 1150kg race weight. The rear bar adjusts from the cockpit through a spectrum of 7 numbered positions. For anyone curious about the origins of the rear axle, which carries twin oil coolers.....crawl underneath the TS6000 when you see it at shows and you'll discover a familiar axle casing carrying the letters "F"...."O"...."R"...."D".....Hmmmm.....Nuff said there! :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090065.jpg)

Up front, proceedings are dominated by that V8 engine sat in the TS6000's engine bay. The most obvious feature is that of the exhausts which are swept forward, but Swindon engines insisted it was really the only way to get a decent exhaust system fitted to that engine in the Carltons engine bay.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090069.jpg)

The exhaust note was restricted since a disqualification at Donnington in 1988. Even after its restriction, each time this V8 Carlton woffles away from stand still, it sounds like a freight train departing! After this disqualification, a second extensive exhaust note reduction had been achieved courtesy of a vast silencer box before the equally beefy twin side pipes on the passenger side skirting of the vehicle. The car no longer has this exhaust set up as you can see by the two rear pipes sticking out of the TS6000's slotted rear bumper! :roll:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080035.jpg)

The engine is based on an all alloy block drawn from the Chevrolet Sports options. Bore and stroke is approximately 4inch bore and exactly 3.48inch stroke to achieve its capacity. Not many people know that a second engine was kept as a spare if required, but this was just 5.7Litres with much the same top end power as the 6000cc unit but with a lot less Torque with a comparatively primitive injection and management system.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080041.jpg)

The 6.0Litre is a stretched version of the regular 5.0Litre/5.7Litre (302/350cu inch) Chevrolet family unit but sports orientated in alloy rather than production cast iron. The heads are also alloy Chevrolet stock that are nicknamed "Bow-Ties" to those in the know. Most of the internals are American classics like Carillo connecting rods and BRC steel crankshaft. The Swindon assembled V8 hides beneath the bonnet fed cold air induction trunking and box to feed the injection stacks and Hillborn inlet manifolding. It operates a 11.7 : 1 compression ratio after earlier problems with detonation had to be tackled to improve reliability and performance. That compression ratio comes courtesy of Cosworth pistons which were shipped back from the States to the UK.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090058.jpg)

Maximum power is quoted as 600bhp around the rev-limiter upper setting of 7200rpm with support of at least 500lbs/ft of Torque at 4500rpm but there was still over 450lbs/ft of Torque available at 4000rpm! There are two separate ignition and injection management systems above the passenger footwell on the TS6000. There was a unique twin coil and amplifier system but you can also see that the spare basic system relies on a single coil. Only when the twin coil system is used does the management set up have full microprocessor mapped settings for maximum performance.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080037.jpg)

Externally the view is dominated by the front splitter spoiler and similarly wind tunnel developed rear wing which was the 3rd airdam/spoiler combination raced on this vehicle. Originally it had a Carlton GSi styled item which was replaced by a Capri RS3100 ducktail style item. The only answer to gain the required rear downforce was the 3 position adjustable blade, end plates and subtle glass fibre and alloy ridge along the length of the rear bootlid that you see today.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080035.jpg)

Those Dzus-detatchable rear quarter panel spats partially cover Jaguar Group C1 tyre dimensions. BBS supply the 19inch diameter x 15inch rear wheel and 17inch x 12inch up front. All of the wheels are clothed in Dunlop rubber and owing more to Jaguars World Sports Car programme than any other inspiration. That meant Kevlar construction radials....Not cheap i bet!

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7090059.jpg)

Steel and alloy fabrications were a Dave Cook Racing Services speciality, one that's emphasised by the construction of their own roll cage and the contents of that vast boot. When opened it reveals a 120Litre fuel tank and a dry sump lubrication tank, but to trace all the wanderings of the roll cage you would have to search right up to the front and rear suspension mounting points!

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/P7080036.jpg)

For those who cannot read that picture above....this below is what it says \/

Carlton TS6000 Thundersaloon

. 6.0i V8 - 16v (6000cc petrol, five-speed manual)

. Maximum power - 600PS @ 7200rpm

. Maximum Torque - 675Nm (500lbs/ft) @ 4500rpm

. Acceleration (0 - 100mph) - Approximately 8 seconds

. Weight - 1150kg

. Alluminium cylinderblock and heads

. Lightweight Kevlar external bodypanels

. Locked rear axle

. Xtrac-Hewland five speed gearbox

. 14inch ventilated disc brakes with AP four-piston calipers

. Bilstein dampers

. 15 x 19-inch rear wheels and 12 x 17-inch front wheels

Run under the banner of Vauxhall Dealer Sport, this car won the British Thundersaloon Championship in 1988 with drivers John Cleland and Vince Woodman. It was built by Dave Cook Racing Services around a genuine Vauxhall Carlton bodyshell, with only the minimum number of exterior styling changes necessary to make it a practical racing car. The front splitter is the original design, but the three position rear spoiler was developed in a wind tunnel to generate increased downforce.


(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS6000y.jpg)

Behind the after-market chunky steering wheel, you'd be grasped in place by Sabelt 6 point harnesses and the OMP seat. The forwards view i guess would be exactly what you'd expect if you were the eyes of a great white whale! The outside shimmering Glacier white body panels contrast the gloom within the dark cockpit, with just 7 instruments for information, such as the things you would expect like oil temperature and oil pressure are monitored but any perspective Carlton TS6000 race car driver will have to look out for the back axle lubricants temperature exceeding 100degrees C, the warning point at which the lucky driver must click the switch for the axle coolers to come on. 8)  8)  8)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/urbanndisaplin/TS6000front.jpg)

For me its a real shame that they built only one, as i'd love to own my very own V8 Carlton TS6000! Wouldn't you?? :wink:


Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Pedro on July 27, 2009, 07:52:26 PM
Old friend, is that - worked on it a few times!
I worked at DCRS (who built it) and it came in for the odd bit if fettling. Damn near bust my foot once, too!

Interestingly, DCRS had three Carlton shells before the Carlton went on sale in the UK.
Apparently, it wasn't really common practice back then (unlike now), but Vauxhall wanted a racecar more or less ready for when the Carlton was available to buy.
The old American adage comes in play here - "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on July 27, 2009, 08:08:04 PM
"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".

Didn't Enzo Ferrari say that too Pete?? :-\
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Pedro on July 27, 2009, 09:57:40 PM
"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".

Didn't Enzo Ferrari say that too Pete?? :-\

Nah, he might have said "Win su Domenica, vendere su Lunedi" though! ;D ;D ;D

I just heard it from some TV programme (years ago, I might add) when the racing between the GM divisions was highly encouraged on the racetrack. I think some guy called Carroll Shelby (has alot to do with the Other lot with a blue oval badge)might have said it though.
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on July 27, 2009, 11:29:57 PM
"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".

Didn't Enzo Ferrari say that too Pete?? :-\

Nah, he might have said "Win su Domenica, vendere su Lunedi" though! ;D ;D ;D


ROTFLMAOPMSL!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Jimmy on August 02, 2009, 03:29:51 PM
OMG!!! Think iv just wet myself............

u lucky lucky lucky bastard to who ever owns it now, hands down mate, hands down..   :)
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on August 03, 2009, 07:59:17 AM
u lucky lucky lucky bastard to who ever owns it now, hands down mate, hands down..   :)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/26071987001.jpg)

The car belongs to Pete Stevens.....He used to race that Carlton TS6000 in the early 1990's and he also raced/owned the V8 Thundersaloon Senator before it Jimmy! 8) 8) 8)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/26071987002.jpg)

Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Jimmy on August 03, 2009, 08:19:33 AM
V8 Senny??!!! ne pics of tht?
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on August 03, 2009, 08:29:38 AM
V8 Senny??!!! ne pics of tht?

Already posted a pic of that above....I guess you didn't see it? ;)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/26071987002.jpg)

Here it is again Jimmy!
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Jimmy on August 03, 2009, 09:21:12 AM
soz, im just being dumb, thought tht was an old cavey, nice tho, very nice..
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Street Sleeper on November 18, 2009, 04:03:27 PM
cool! Be interested to know how they got it down to 1150kg, I expect it wouldn't take much to make it road legal, the way those manifolds are routed you could easily stick an 88mm turbo on the end of each one and say hello to an easy doubled hp figure!!! would love to see that disguised as a standard car hmmmm maybe I could build one!!
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Pedro on November 18, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: Street Sleeper on Today at 16:03:27
cool! Be interested to know how they got it down to 1150kg,[/quote]

I can tell you exactly how the weight gets lost.
Sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.
Carlton shell is sat on a solid steel block, drilled and tapped every 50mm in each direction, perfectly flat (within .01mm) in all directions.
Shell then raised up and suspension points dropped plumb to the flat bed and mounts made up to support the shell. This means the shell will not move at the cage fitting stage and the points can be used as reference for suspension geometry.
Then the cage is fitted - in this case, IIRC, T45 steel tube was used (3 times lighter, 3 times stronger  and 5 times more expensive than CDS - yet harder to warp when welding).
After cage fitted, roof skin off and shell stripped down as far as possible - lots of metal thrown away as it's simply not needed. Joints in chassis junked, extra layers of sheet steel removed, matting and wiring gone, rear quarters binned, the bonnet, bootlid, doors used as patterns for remanufacture in Kevlar.
Then more serious weight was lost - the glass was taken out of the equation.
Roof skin back on, off to paint.
meanwhile, rear wings/rear doorskins and front wings hand made from Kevlar, other body mods sorted.
New wiring looms made from the thinnest wires possible, all dashboard gone too.
Body back from paint, drivetrain (6 litre GM V8 engine and Hewland(?) gearbox, specially machined propshaft and Holden rear diff with one-off driveshafts) fitted.
Dedicated body panels, wiring, seat, etc., fitted and off to the test track - in the case of the T6000, Croft and Donington.
Testing was very successful, nothing major was detected (testament to Mr. Dave Cook's engineering skills) and then more testing for tyres at Thruxton I believe.
First race was a couple of weeks after the car was finished, IIRC and it won the Thundersaloon championship at the first attempt - 1987.

I'm the first to admit, some of the details there are a bit sketchy, as it was a long time ago and I got this info from DC himself, and both if us have been to sleep since...............

Two things I CAN confirm is that:
A) it's still fookin heavy - it dropped off a jack onto my foot one day when we had it in for some work. Luckily, I was wearing Totector boots!!!
B) it's very very noisy!!!!!







Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Scatmancraig on November 18, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
and Holden rear diff with one-off driveshafts) fitted.
Doesn't it have a Ford back axle?  Sure i've read that somewhere, Sean's article in Straight-Six news i think.
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on November 19, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
and Holden rear diff with one-off driveshafts) fitted.
Doesn't it have a Ford back axle?  Sure i've read that somewhere, Sean's article in Straight-Six news i think.

Correct! Which is exactly the same article as I posted on here Craig....

crawl underneath the TS6000 when you see it at shows and you'll discover a familiar axle casing carrying the letters "F"...."O"...."R"...."D".....Hmmmm.....Nuff said there! :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

HTH! :P
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Pedro on November 19, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
and Holden rear diff with one-off driveshafts) fitted.
Doesn't it have a Ford back axle?  Sure i've read that somewhere, Sean's article in Straight-Six news i think.

Yes, you're right - it did.

I did say I've been to sleep since...............
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: therealeasterbunny on November 19, 2009, 09:37:54 PM
Doesn't it have a Ford back axle? 

ooohhh! I'm sure that'll have the Ford vs GM posse's in heated banter!

Bought a poster off ebay a couple of weeks ago (for 99p !!!) of the TS - its going to go up in my office when I can get a frame :)


Vauxhall TS6000 Carlton Thundersaloon Poster - Circa 1989 - Print by Graham Turner

(http://www.therealeasterbunny.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/carltons/tsp.jpg)

Found during recent garage clearout after a house move.

Item is exactly as new and only opened to discover what was inside the package.

Amazing, very high quality promotional document that may be of interest to someone?
 
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Mitch1965 on November 20, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
  This looks an awesome machine!! 8) 8)
 How i would like to get a chance to drive this round a track, i would probably pooh myself. ;D
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on November 20, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
Bought a poster off ebay a couple of weeks ago (for 99p !!!) of the TS - its going to go up in my office when I can get a frame :)

Its really nice to finally see some interest in this monsterous machine! 8) 8) 8)

I've got one of those posters too EasterBunny....

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS600047.jpg)

The one you want to look out for now is the official Dealer poster of the Carlton TS 6000! ;)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS600048.jpg)

As you can see from my pic above, its a nice poster to have because its got some of the race dates on it. The only down side is that its just a little bit bigger than the "GT" print that you currently have EasterBunny....

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS600049.jpg)

HTH! :P
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Pedro on November 21, 2009, 10:35:33 AM
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/TS600048.jpg)

Pretty sure there should be a DCRS sticker on the front right of the bumper.........
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Jimmy on November 23, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zlOlFPUPNk

can anyone spot the Carly in this one?
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on November 23, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
can anyone spot the Carly in this one?

Yup Jimmy! ;)

Not bad footage there with Vince Woodman behind the wheel and....

You Tube - Thundersaloons 89 practice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIP08fYPixc&feature=related)

And finally....

You Tube - Thundersaloons 1/5/89 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqigo15lII)

HTH! :P
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Jimmy on November 24, 2009, 05:10:24 PM


Yup Jimmy! ;)

Not bad footage there with Vince Woodman behind the wheel and....

You Tube - Thundersaloons 89 practice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIP08fYPixc&feature=related)

And finally....

You Tube - Thundersaloons 1/5/89 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqigo15lII)

HTH! :P

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yeh wicked footage, think i have a soft spot for cosworth's, but would still have the carly over the rest anyday..

;)
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Street Sleeper on November 27, 2009, 09:15:44 AM
The stars and stripes manta certainly isn't hanging about and them cossies smoke a bit don't they?!!!?!
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: R59V8 on June 22, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Here's a Thread Revival for you !

Pete Stevens is racing The Carlton in the Classic & Sports Car Club's Special Saloons series when his schedule allows.

I'm new to your forum, and had to register on here to give you guys the good news. I don't have a Carlton - used to own an Omega, and a Senator before that (damn I miss it at times). I still have a soft spot for Lotus Carltons and when I become rich and famous, I will have one!! Oh yes, I will.

Our next race is at Cadwell Park (Lincs) next weekend (29th/30th June), and the CSCC Special Saloons is an eclectic mix of cars, from nimble spaceframe Hillman Imps, through to V8 beasties like The Carlton, the ex-Mick Hill V8 Beetle, the DAF Marathon V8, and my nutty Belmont V8.

Happy Days!!

Rob.
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: Mitch1965 on June 22, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
Have watched this beast a few times now. Last year at Mallory. The chase with the lotus sunbeam was    excellent.
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: mrchaz on June 22, 2013, 10:07:27 PM
Here a couple of pics from Brands Hatch the other weekend

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag154/Neil_Ambrose/ts60003_zpsa3db7987.jpg)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag154/Neil_Ambrose/ts60002_zpscee48e77.jpg)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag154/Neil_Ambrose/ts60001_zpse328e162.jpg)
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: U.D. - Omega DTM Rep on July 30, 2013, 09:55:16 PM
Here's a Thread Revival for you !

God dam I do love this car, Its now all your fault Rob that I'm posting these old images from Mallory Park back during August Bank Holiday 2011.... :D

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Senator36E/Mallory%20Park%20-%20August%202011/P1010026.jpg)

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I don't have a Carlton - used to own an Omega, and a Senator before that (damn I miss it at times). I still have a soft spot for Lotus Carltons and when I become rich and famous, I will have one!! Oh yes I will.

If either the Omega or Senator you owned had manual transmissions, try an R32 or R33 Skyline GT-R before setting your mind 100% on purchasing a Lotus Carlton because you might just be surprised at how Opel like these old Nissan's feel to drive Rob! ;)

JM2PW! :P
Title: Re: V8 Carlton Thundersaloon....
Post by: kevinfourlegs on August 26, 2013, 04:55:20 PM
And guessing a lot less tinworm than a carlton.