Environment

[diplomat2.6]

A few observations:

A jet set set of a couple on months ago with almost no passengers. It used 22 000 gallons of fuel which cost the airline £30 000. That is less than £1.45 a gallon. Why do we pay over £5 and why do the government think 2p per litre (in Oct) 'will help the environment' when there are so many aircraft polluting the skies.

Why are supermarkets obsessed with recycling bags? The oil used to make them would otherwise ultimately be destined for fuel use and therefore by making it in to plastic will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases. I recycle them as binbags and so do many. Then there's the landfill argument - well that is rubbish. If I go an holiday I find that using bags helps make my luggage more compact so why the reverse be true of rubbish in a landfill site? Oh no - it's far better to make the bags out of linen/hessian. Now, there isn't much of that growing in Northants so I must assume it is shipped from India - very environmentally aware.

Wasting paper means they need to grow more trees - isn't that good?

I'm all for doing my bit but really.............

I purchased some low wattage halogen downlighters for the kitchen. My wife said it all. 'Its like walking past a Cafe at night when all that is illuminating the room is the INSECT-O-CUTOR'

[Rusty Arches]

A few more observations....

The jets take off/landing slot was booked way in advance and it MUST fly weather
its full or not,Ryan Air was recently caught paying actors to book seats on there planes
so it appeared to be keeping passenger numbers above a previously agreed level in line
with there contract at Norwich airport.

Aviation fuel is probably cheaper than unleaded (sic) coz they use so much of it
and i am guessing the price is set way in advance

even a 24 valve 3 litre wont use 22,000 gallons in a year
but its easier to tax the motorist than the airline industry.

"Why are supermarkets obsessed with recycling bags? "

 The only thing supermarkets are obsessed with is making more money
however they have to pay lip service to "green issues" and therefore appear
to support the goverments impending tax on plastic bags,I think a similar
tax has been working in Ireland for some time now, as soon as we have to
pay for our plastic bags we will use something else.

Just re read this and it looks like i am having a pop at your original
post sorry im not

The whole green issue has been hijacked and moulded into a money making machine
this planet is doomed to whatever fate awaits it and if anyone believes paying the congestion charge
recycling your plastic and using energy effiicent light bulbs will save us from whats coming then i reckon
you should take a deep breath and wind your neck in

The amount of oil being used every year increases and so does the tax
we pay on it this will continue until there is none left. ie use as much oil as you
like and i will tax you for it to save the planet.

Sorry rant over im off to take my pills now

[Dave the Builder]

I suspect that when you start being charged for carrier bags ...
more people will use the free delivery srvice offered by many supermarkets 
putting more crappy delivery vans on the roads 
and if they think i'm walking round with a load of carrier bags in case i might want to go shopping they have another thing coming.... i'll just pay for a bag when i'm at the shop 

i'm doing my bit for global warming owning 3 big cars 

and it's still BLOODY COLD !!!

[melinx]

Scientific evidence shows that the earth is in a short 'interglacial' period during a 3 million year glaciation period, there have been numerous 'interglacial' periods during this time.

These interglacial warm periods last about 10 to 15 thousand years: The present interglacial period began about 13 thousand years ago and sea levels rose 300 feet ( prior to this you could have walked to Denmark ! )

Much of the scientific evidence shows that the end and beginning of the interglacials are abrupt (within a few years)

During these glaciations most of Britain was under a few miles of ice

There is every possibility that greenhouse warming due to fossil fuel burning will only prolong this interglacial by a couple of hundred years or so until we run out of fossil fuels.

Sea levels are projected to rise a few tens of centimetres over the next 100 or so years, not another 300 feet !

Where would you rather be ? in an igloo on top of a few miles of ice, or sweltering on a slightly shortened beach ?

It's a bloody good peg to hang extra taxes on though innit 

[Dave the Builder]

Just brought this  >>>ice maker clicky

problem solved !   

[melinx]

I hope that you are going to run it from solar panels 

But then I'm forgetting that to manufacture solar panels takes more energy than they can ever produce  and that they absorb solar energy so that less is reflected back into space - - silly me

[Dave the Builder]

I hope that you are going to run it from solar panels 

Na ! i'm posh ... have my lecky piped in from a dirty great fosil fuel power station 

solar pannels would not work inside my kitchen anyway ... unless i had the light on 

[Einarrson]

Yeah it's a bit of a farce.

If it's warm, windy, rainy or hailstoning the news will wheel out some scientist on £250,000 a year who will reakon it's down to CO2.

If it's cold, like has been globaly for the last year or so they will claim it's cause the sun has gotten cooler while during the warmer period of the from the 70's till 1998 the  same people were saying it's nothing to do with the fact that the sun is heating up and it's all down to CO2. A classic case of wanting it both ways.

The predictions made over the past few years, which get more and more bleak by the month are being made to look a bit stupid now by the recent dip in global temperatures throughout 2007 the fact that this is now causeing the ice caps to get bigger. 

Re the price of Oil. Are we supposed to beleive that the price is going up due to 'dwindling reserves'? They find new reserves all the time as well as previously hard to get a reserves become more economically viable due to the increse in price. I think the real cause of the increase in price is the decrease in production and as a result BP made 7bn already this quarter!

Anyone remember the Honda EV-1? It was a perfectly good sporty electric car that didn't go into production fully. It would have probalbly been a real success. Think of that, all those people driving Saxos and micras about could just have one of those and leave more fuel for proper cars.

Here's an EV-Rav 4, not my cup of tea and I doubt anyones on this site.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q0pjyJyGbI

[melinx]

Well ! would you believe it ? the latest 'computer model' of the climate ( as published in the top scientific publication 'Nature' ) says that global warming has been cancelled for 10 years 

So does that mean that all the 'green' taxes will be put on hold for 10 years

I swear that I just saw a herd of supersonic pigs pass overhead

[Einarrson]

Yes, I just heard that on the radio.

Oh it's natural cycles influencing it now that it's getting colder whereas up till recently the global warming brigade were practicaly in denial about the natural cycles.

[melinx]

Scientific evidence shows that the earth is in a short 'interglacial' period during a 3 million year glaciation period, there have been numerous 'interglacial' periods during this time.

These interglacial warm periods last about 10 to 15 thousand years: The present interglacial period began about 13 thousand years ago and sea levels rose 300 feet ( prior to this you could have walked to Denmark ! )

Much of the scientific evidence shows that the end and beginning of the interglacials are abrupt (within a few years)

During these glaciations most of Britain was under a few miles of ice

There is every possibility that greenhouse warming due to fossil fuel burning will only prolong this interglacial by a couple of hundred years or so until we run out of fossil fuels.

Sea levels are projected to rise a few tens of centimetres over the next 100 or so years, not another 300 feet !

Where would you rather be ? in an igloo on top of a few miles of ice, or sweltering on a slightly shortened beach ?

It's a bloody good peg to hang extra taxes on though innit 

 Note the date of the above quote: It's taken them a long time to reach the position shown in the news item below


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16439807

[Johnny A]

fuck this, I am going to burn some tyres

[kevinfourlegs]

Can't beat the smell of burning rubber.