'92 K Carlton 2.0i CD in blue 135k miles

[ecobwg]

Well, the Vectra is here, so its time for my parents to sell the old bus.

It has been trusty family transport for us for the past 11 years.

First registered 1st August 1992.
Vauxhall Carlton 2.0i CD manual
135000 genuine miles.
Usual CD spec inc 10CD autochanger in boot.
Reconditioned engine installed 2 years ago, about 18k miles since.
Lots of other parts replaced including fuel tank. I can try to list everything for anyone interested.
Bonnet resprayed about 4 years ago, not significantly stonechipped.
MOT to August 06 and tax to end of March 06.
The car has been garaged overnight since new and in a heated garage while we have had it.
4 good (uniroyal) tyres, all the old MOT certificates and lots of receipts.

Open to offers but are looking to cover the tax and a reasonable amount for the engine.
The car is located in South Derbyshire or I can take it to my place in Manchester if it is more convenient.

Lots of pictures taken today, I can supply more than I've put up by e-mail.

Pics are at   http://www.metropower.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8828

[corky13]

giz a clue mate of how much your lookin for

[ecobwg]

Make an offer, I won't be offended by any offers made. Offer what you think its worth to you.

[HMK]

Could I ask four specific questions about the car:

1) Does the car have the original plastic wallet with the hand book & service history book in it?

2) Does the car have any transmission noise - such as a 'whine' from the rear diff. (a common problem on Carltons)?

3) Is the exhaust system fitted with a catalytic converter (or Cat) or is it a straight, three box system without a cat?

4) Does the car leak any oil - ie, does it leave oil drip patches on the garage floor?

Many thanks.

[ecobwg]

1. Will ask my Dad. I think he has everything, he usually keeps absolutely everything in its original condition, so I'd guess it does. Will check when I speak to him.

2. Same again, I'll ask Dad. I think the centre prop shaft bearing is getting a little noisy, but isn't going to fail.

3. It is a Cat model. And it does need a new exhaust fitted, I know that as the back box fell off

4. Definitely not. The engine is 18k miles old as runs as sweetly as a 2.0 Carlton could. Its nicely run in, without being worn.

I have lots more pictures, so if you want to see anything in particular or ask any more, ask away.

[ian]

kooks fook clean

[ecobwg]

I've put some pics of the plastic wallet that came with the car on the pics thread (see above) including receipts from the original purchase and our second purchase. Will post up a couple of the underside too but they were just ones I stuck the camera underneath and pressed the button so they are a bit random I have a load more pics but I'll have to email them as I don't want to overuse the facility on MetroPower.

All the original MOTs and service receipts are there, although I started doing the 6 monthly oil changes myself a long time ago as it was cheaper and I do a better job than a garage

Transmission noise IS the centre prop shaft bearing (sounds like a wheel bearing but isn't). The diff at the back sounds like a Carlton back diff but is not overly noisy, in fact the same as it was when we bought it and better than most Carltons I have ever heared, so I'd say it was fine.

Any more Qs? Or offers?

[chrismec]

Kin nice lookin car m8 shud get agood price.

[HMK]

Hi there ecobwg,

Thanks for the reply. Typical me! When I read your first post again, I see it's an August 1st 92 car so it just comes into the 'needing a CAT by law regs. That's a real shame, if it had been one day older (31st July) the Cat could have been done away with - I hate cats.

Well, I've looked at all your pix & taken note of the various faults - ie, prop, rear exhaust & I think I read on another thread about a window motor fault, which wouldn't bother me as I've replaced them before. I'd be prepared to take the car on face value & buy without seeing it in the flesh. So, as long as it has all the bits & pieces you describe above with it - tax, test, V5, all the paperwork in the pix, CD changer etc. Also, if you were prepared to drive it to my house near Lincoln (not really that far from where you are & a good enough road test for me if it makes the trip ok). I would like to make you a 'hard CASH' offer for the car.

Please post & let me know if you would like me to put the offer up front on here, or if you would rather me send you a PM.

The only thing I can guarantee, other then hard cash, would be to give the car a good home & if it turned out to be reasonably sound, to give it a thorough waxoiling on the parts that matter...............that's of course if the offer is acceptable to you - & like you, I won't be offended if you say no!

[ian]

good luck HMK that one looks a gooden ,hope everything works out!

[ecobwg]

Hi HMK,

I'll see what I can sort out, if I can stay a night with my friends in Lincoln. (I don't really know the place but they stay near the football ground) That would have to be the weekend of the 19th/20th as I'm away this weekend in Scotland.

I'm at work right now, so I'll have to get back to you later, to make arrangements.

[HMK]

UP-DATE.

Thankyou to ecobwg for delivering the Carlton to my house yesterday (Saturday).

It looked as nice 'in the flesh' as it did in the pictures.

Went for a quick spin in it today & am very pleased with the car. It's now parked up in my back yard where I shall do the various jobs that need doing before it goes on the road properly.

Once again, many thanks.

[carlton_mad]

Hi there ecobwg,

Thanks for the reply. Typical me! When I read your first post again, I see it's an August 1st 92 car so it just comes into the 'needing a CAT by law regs. That's a real shame, if it had been one day older (31st July) the Cat could have been done away with - I hate cats.

Well, I've looked at all your pix & taken note of the various faults - ie, prop, rear exhaust & I think I read on another thread about a window motor fault, which wouldn't bother me as I've replaced them before. I'd be prepared to take the car on face value & buy without seeing it in the flesh. So, as long as it has all the bits & pieces you describe above with it - tax, test, V5, all the paperwork in the pix, CD changer etc. Also, if you were prepared to drive it to my house near Lincoln (not really that far from where you are & a good enough road test for me if it makes the trip ok). I would like to make you a 'hard CASH' offer for the car.

Please post & let me know if you would like me to put the offer up front on here, or if you would rather me send you a PM.

The only thing I can guarantee, other then hard cash, would be to give the car a good home & if it turned out to be reasonably sound, to give it a thorough waxoiling on the parts that matter...............that's of course if the offer is acceptable to you - & like you, I won't be offended if you say no!

just for general information if you have got a car up to an m reg and have an engine that came out of an older car for example an h reg then as long as you can prove the age of the engine it will go through as a non cat car ok?

[Murph]

...As may yet happen with mine innit? LOL

 

[HMK]

I'm not too sure if that's the case - I understood that it is the date that the car itself was 'registered', ie, 31st July 92 - No Cat & 1st August 92 - Has to have a Cat. I will have to make some more enquiries.................unless it's 93 & not 92?

[HMK]

Yes, it's as I thought - Bad news, just been looking it up!!

It clearly says after 1st August 1992 (All 'K' reg & onwards), have to have a Cat emissions test on the MOT. Date of engine has nothing to do with it - it's the date of registration of the vehicle, so it seems.

The new computerised MOT test has taken away the 'grey area' & discretion from the tester, as has happened when people have got cars through without Cats in the past.

The car I've just bought has a small leak from the case of the Cat - nothing I can't fix (bodge) - it's working properties seem to be OK, though.

[chrismec]

This area is still very grey, puter tells tester wot test he has 2 do, my 93 k reg diplomat comes up non cat.

[carlton_mad]

well dudes i gotta tell ya i am an mot tester and i can tell you that this information is 100%we have computerisation and when i register a car for test if there is the option for all you carlton owners i will tend to select non cat so that in the future the vehicle will come up as a non cat this also covers up to an M reg

[HMK]

It's an interesting one..........

I'll have to call in at my testing station & see what they say - I know that my 'L' reg has always had the 'Cat' test, but it would be nice if the 'K' reg I've just got could do without it.

[ecobwg]

Hi HMK,

Glad you like the car. We are missing it already.
You can get it through as a non-cat if you can prove the engine is old enough. The trouble is, the company that re-manufactured the engine is in Belgium so that engine could have come from anywhere in Europe. Doubtful you could prove its age and I'm not sure if they would count the engine as being original date of manufacture or date of remanufacture.
With the Metro, I have a Janspeed de-cat pipe which just gets swapped back for the MOT. Not that hard to do

Anyway, I'll pop back here every so often to see if there are any updates, keep me posted on how the old bus gets on.

[HMK]

Yes, I think it could be an earlier engine, as it's the one where the cambelt is tensioned by turning the water pump rather than the adjustable tensioner as is on the estate car.

I did notice that the emission test print-out from this years test was for a 'non-cat' test, so does this mean that it is now down on a central data base as non cat?...........Perhaps Carlton_Mad could confirm, please??

Will keep you posted on the car, ecobwg. There's bound to be  one or two things I forgot to ask, such as; Is it about due for another oil change & what oil has it normally had (semi or non-semi) & is it the same oil as is in that container in the boot? Had a day off on Wednesday, so cars now up on ramps & I've started to sort out the bits & pieces.........Keep popping in, & once again, many thanks.

[Scatmancraig]

Hi there ecobwg,

Thanks for the reply. Typical me! When I read your first post again, I see it's an August 1st 92 car so it just comes into the 'needing a CAT by law regs. That's a real shame, if it had been one day older (31st July) the Cat could have been done away with - I hate cats.

Well, I've looked at all your pix & taken note of the various faults - ie, prop, rear exhaust & I think I read on another thread about a window motor fault, which wouldn't bother me as I've replaced them before. I'd be prepared to take the car on face value & buy without seeing it in the flesh. So, as long as it has all the bits & pieces you describe above with it - tax, test, V5, all the paperwork in the pix, CD changer etc. Also, if you were prepared to drive it to my house near Lincoln (not really that far from where you are & a good enough road test for me if it makes the trip ok). I would like to make you a 'hard CASH' offer for the car.

Please post & let me know if you would like me to put the offer up front on here, or if you would rather me send you a PM.

The only thing I can guarantee, other then hard cash, would be to give the car a good home & if it turned out to be reasonably sound, to give it a thorough waxoiling on the parts that matter...............that's of course if the offer is acceptable to you - & like you, I won't be offended if you say no!

Glad to see there's another Lincoln member on here!!!!!

[HMK]

Hi Craig, I think there are several from around the county on here - a couple out on the coast.

[carlton_mad]

Yes, I think it could be an earlier engine, as it's the one where the cambelt is tensioned by turning the water pump rather than the adjustable tensioner as is on the estate car.

I did notice that the emission test print-out from this years test was for a 'non-cat' test, so does this mean that it is now down on a central data base as non cat?...........Perhaps Carlton_Mad could confirm, please??

Will keep you posted on the car, ecobwg. There's bound to be  one or two things I forgot to ask, such as; Is it about due for another oil change & what oil has it normally had (semi or non-semi) & is it the same oil as is in that container in the boot? Had a day off on Wednesday, so cars now up on ramps & I've started to sort out the bits & pieces.........Keep popping in, & once again, many thanks.

first question is the mot a large green form
if the answer is yes then lucky you it will always be tested as non-cat hope this helps clarify

[HMK]

Thanks for the reply, carlton_mad - I could be un-lucky, It's a standard test certificate

The tests before the last one were all 'CAT test' ones, but the last test from this August was 'Non CAT' for some reason.