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« on: August 29, 2005, 01:56:30 PM »



I used the following parts for this mod:

2 x Senator rear Grab Handles (the ones with the eyeball lights in) Bit of surgery to the eyeball fitting required but very straightforward.

2 x Luxeon Star High Output LEDs

2 x Small pieces of 1mm thick ABS plastic.



These will need a resistor network to drop 13vdc to the voltage required by the LEDs.
I'm still playing around with the values at the moment and will post more when I have the optimal values.

For technical data follow link below: -

http://www.luxeonstar.com/item.php?id=327&link_str=189::191&partno=LXHL-FW1C
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2005, 09:31:51 PM »

Nice one Brian!

I have some of those to fit (one day.............).

Where did you wire them up to?
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2005, 04:35:52 PM »

nice 1 m8 Smiley will admire ur handywork at the meet
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2005, 06:08:02 PM »

Nice one Brian!

I have some of those to fit (one day.............).

Where did you wire them up to?

Took a duel feed (one for each side) +/- straight off the circuit board for the main front courtesy lamp. This way you get the benefit of the delayed switch off etc...etc...
I'm still working on the correct resistor values for the circuit as the LEDs are around 4vdc and of course the car wants to shove 13vdc up 'em, there's also the current to consider and lots of unwanted heat to dissapate.
Anyhoo I'll post up the detail and if time allows some fitting photos when I have it complete (hopefully before the weekend).

Thanks for the interest Pedro.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 03:59:17 PM »

"We have LIGHT!"





Very bright - even when using flash on the camera


Very - Very bright! (same shot as above but without flash)


"Indoor Angel Eyes!"

Again same shot without flash and at a different angle

Will publish simple parts list and connection detail with pics soon.
Hoping to have a proper controller circuit soon that will accept variable dc in and drive six of these leds.

Downside is it won't be cheap, but the applications are many and limited only by the imagination.  Shocked Shocked Shocked

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2005, 06:26:29 PM »

That is the neatest trick I have seen in a long while...........Well done my amigo. You should paten it.  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2005, 07:19:28 AM »


Awesome mod, Budgie! Shocked Shocked Shocked

I've to clean/replace the headlining at some point, so will do this mod at the same time.

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2005, 08:53:28 PM »

they look  Cool Cool
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2005, 06:31:30 PM »

Nice one Brian!

I have some of those to fit (one day.............).

Where did you wire them up to?

Took a duel feed (one for each side) +/- straight off the circuit board for the main front courtesy lamp. This way you get the benefit of the delayed switch off etc...etc...
I'm still working on the correct resistor values for the circuit as the LEDs are around 4vdc and of course the car wants to shove 13vdc up 'em, there's also the current to consider and lots of unwanted heat to dissipate.
Anyhoo I'll post up the detail and if time allows some fitting photos when I have it complete (hopefully before the weekend).

Thanks for the interest Pedro.

Update and fitting guide for this mod.

The High Intensity LEDs can be purchased from Maplin Electronics

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=36002&TabID=1&C=SEO&U=StaticFamilyPages&doy=search&MenuName=High%20Flux%20Lambertian%20Luxeon%20Star/V%20LEDs

You will need a series resistor in each of the +12v feeds to the LED. The resistor MUST be a 68 Ohm 25w Aluminium Clad type. These can be purchased from Farnell Electronics.

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/searchPage2.jsp?Ntk=gensearch&select0=181602&paramSelectCount=2&showImages=true&st=parametricSelection&N=401&Ntt=68r+25w+aluminium+clad+resistor&comSearch=true&paramSearch=true&st=parametricSelection&x=27&y=10

IMPORTANT:
Each LED must be fed independently with its own +12v and earth with the 68R resistor fitted in series with the +12vdc line.
DO NOT power both LEDs from a single 12vdc line as you will require a completely different value resistor to do this.
The 68R resistor helps to stabilise voltage variations that cause changes in the amount of current that the LEDs draw. Large current swings can dramatically shorten the life of the LEDs.

I have wired my LEDs using this method and they are fine. However avoid leaving the LEDs switched on for long periods as both the resistors and the LEDs will get VERY warm indeed.

I am hoping eventually to make available a controller circuit that can drive up to six LEDs with a very low power consumption. Will advise when this is available.

As stated before - take the +/- source feed from the rear of the main courtesy light. This can be done by soldering directly to the solder side of the controller PCB at the point where the Festoon bulb mounts are fitted.
Take care over routing of the cables from the lamp assembly as it is easy to trap and damage them.

Getting the cables from the courtesy lamp to the rear grab handles: -

1) Fit the Senator Grab Handle backplates (remove eyeball lamp first or they can't be fitted)
2) Using a scalpel cut the roof ling away to the shape of the eyeball housing. This will expose an opening to the roof cabling channel.
3) Remove Sun Visor/s taking care not to break the light connector to the vanity mirrors.
4) Lever out the clear courtesy light lens and remove the festoon bulb (carefull it will be bloody hot!)
5) Lever out (from the sun roof facing edge) the courtesy lamp assy and pull down exposing sun roof housing fixing screws.
6) Remove two self tapping screws from the sun roof motor housing mount.
7) Pulll the plastic housing away from the roof lining to release two barbed nylon clips which hold it in place. Be careful as these clips tend to spring out and hide themselves in your dashboard somewhere.  Smiley
Cool After removing the sun roof motor housing remove the roof lining retaining trim from around the sun roof. (this allows the roof lining to drop down in order to get your hands behind it to route the cables. Also unclip the front driver and passenger door rubber seals which will allow the roof lining to be dropped down near the e front.
9) Insert a strong length of copper wire (domestic ring main stuff is ideal) into the hole that you cut in the roof lining behind the grab handles and feed it (you gotta jiggle it a lot but it will go) through the roof channel until it appears alongside the sun visor mount area. Pull it through to where the courtesy light fits.
10) You should (unless you cut it too bleedin short  Grin) now have a piece of copper wire from the courtesy light to the grab handle hole.
11) Tape a length of two (see photo) core domestic mains cable to the courtesy light end of the copper wire and pull this back through the roof channel until it appears through the grab handle hole. You now have one cable routed ready to connect.(I have suggested this type of cable which is the same as a lot of domestic entertainment systems as it is easy to obtain, has the correct conductor size and is easy to fit)
12) Repeat this for the other side of the car BEFORE soldering the cables to the back of the courtesy light PCB.
13) Re-fit roof lining, door seals and sun visors. DON'T re-fit sun roof motor housing yet as it will restrict the soldering and fitting of the courtesy lamp.

At this stage you should have two cables routed - one in either side of the roof, grab handles fitted and holes cut into the roof lining.

Remove the 15amp fuse that serves the interior lights (this is a precaution cos I didn't and blew a fuse)

Solder the newly routed cables to the back of the courtesy light PCB at the point where the festoon bulb mounts are situated (observe polarity - I used Brown for + and Blue for -) Don't overheat the connections when soldering as the bulb mounts may come adrift and you will melt the insulation on the cable.

Refit the courtesy lamp (take care not trap wiring), sun roof motor housing, sun roof trim etc...

Refit the 15amp fuse only after you have insulated the exposed ends of the two cables hanging out of the grab handle holes. Put a connector block terminal on to achieve this - see photos.

Regarding the fitting of the LEDs and mods to the eyeball housings the photo will show what is required along with some step instructions.

1) Remove silver grey eyeball and lamp from housing.
2) Carefully cut away all of the eye ball socket plastic including the terminals and switch blades (do not damage slide switch as this is glued back in place and will not need to function) DO NOT cut away the two eyeball housing retaining clips as these will be needed to re-mount in grab handle back plate.
3) Glue (quick set epoxy Araldite) a piece of black 1mm thick ABS to the back of the eyeball socket housing.
4) Drill hole in centre of ABS to allow the LED lens and its black plastic housing to pass through it (8mm Dia I think)
5) I have used 2mm thick double sided adhesive pads to fit the LED to the plastic - you may find a more suitable alternative.
6) Connect LED assy with housing to the new cable as shown in photo. Be sure to insulate the connections to the 25w resistor or it will short out in the roof channel,
7) Carefully slide cable, resistor, terminal blocks and cable into the roof channel and clip lamp housing in place.

This should be all that's required.
Any probs then post me.

 

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2005, 08:45:50 PM »

Good Post that man!
Will be trying that myself now that I have such a comprehensive instruction on how to do it.
Thanx Muchly  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2005, 05:50:30 PM »

If anyone wants to do this mod there are some grab handles being sold on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-SENATOR-CARLTON-REAR-GRAB-HANDLES-3-0-24V-GSi_W0QQitemZ4574222465QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2006, 12:27:13 PM »

ive just read the how to on rear grab handle light fitting and was wondering how to fit these but utilise the  light as a switchable one , how would i wire this so it can be operated? i think it it would need a perm live , if this is correct any suggestion HOW TO  please
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2006, 02:35:42 PM »

ive just read the how to on rear grab handle light fitting and was wondering how to fit these but utilise the  light as a switchable one , how would i wire this so it can be operated? i think it it would need a perm live , if this is correct any suggestion HOW TO  please

If you intend to operate the LED lamps independently of the courtesy light switching circuit then yes you will need a permanent 12v +/- feed to both lamps. You will of course require the same value metal clad resistor for each lamp also. However it will not be possible to utilise the existing Senator Grab Handle slide switch as most of this has to be cut away to allow fitting to the roof opening on the Carlton. If you are fitting this upgrade to a Senator then you probably could utilise the existing slide switch.
I found after giving this upgrade some serious consideration that wiring the LED's into the existing courtesy light circuit was by far the better option.

Hope this has helped. If you need any further info on the mod then please just ask.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2006, 03:21:44 PM »

was actualy just going to use the lights asis for now , kids always moaning they cant see in the night , thought this would be a good idea and save my ears Wink, just a matter of finding a decent constant live i suppose. would it be possible to use smaller 3 core cable to the front courtesy light and do it that way?im going to b off work for 3 months and i need something to occupy my mind so i dont go nuts Roll Eyes. all suggestions greatfully recieved .
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2006, 03:49:57 PM »

was actualy just going to use the lights asis for now , kids always moaning they cant see in the night , thought this would be a good idea and save my ears Wink, just a matter of finding a decent constant live i suppose. would it be possible to use smaller 3 core cable to the front courtesy light and do it that way?im going to b off work for 3 months and i need something to occupy my mind so i dont go nuts Roll Eyes. all suggestions greatfully recieved .
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If you are intending to fit the Senator Grab Handle units to the Carlton the "eyeball" lamp assembly won't fit in the roof channel opening as it is not large enough.
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2006, 03:54:41 PM »

ok thanks saved me fro butchering my head lining , shame tho think i would have looked good, brain not working too well at the moment to attempt ur little feat of wizardry  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2006, 03:58:18 PM »

ok thanks saved me fro butchering my head lining , shame tho think i would have looked good, brain not working too well at the moment to attempt ur little feat of wizardry  Wink

Lol!  Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2006, 04:02:49 PM »

kids will have to suffer a bit longer! ever thought of making this into a kit and selling it , im sure ud get some response!!
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2006, 04:15:57 PM »

kids will have to suffer a bit longer! ever thought of making this into a kit and selling it , im sure ud get some response!!

Have to say that I hadn't given that much thought. However parts are expensive so would have to make up kits to order when payment was received. Wouldn't be able to make up stock of kits because of that.
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2006, 04:34:48 PM »

so how much ? how long? how easy lol . if poss including on/off switch? id deff be up for a pair!!
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2006, 05:37:15 PM »

so how much ? how long? how easy lol . if poss including on/off switch? id deff be up for a pair!!
Have a look at this LED (click on the link below) - it should fit in place of the Senator "eyeball" assembly once the housing has been cut away.
It looks as if this will do the job fed directly from the 12v car supply without the need for a metal clad resistor.

http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=54&products_id=988&osCsid=02eb3b3b099c40c58438d5435653f5d4

Would like to be able to help you with a kit of parts but time is something I have little of these days.  Cry Cry

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2006, 05:49:22 PM »

will try these and let u know how it goes , thanks
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2006, 06:48:43 PM »

I fitted the standard Senator eyeball rear lights to my Carlton. All you need to do is cut a small amount of the metal away using a dremel or such like. I then ran the wires to the front courtesy and duplicated the connections so that they work as the front does. This way you can turn them on, off or have them fade down.
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2006, 09:34:45 PM »

nice one , how much did u have to cut away? did u use 3 core cable? all info gratefully recieved
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2006, 02:56:57 PM »

Unclip the light and fit the grab handle. Make where the light goes through the hole in the handle and cut it away. Just use 3 cores from each light and copy the connection from the front.
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