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« on: December 29, 2011, 05:09:04 PM » |
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Was the Carlton on the market in 1994? When I enter the registration date in online insurance quotes it does not give 1994 as an option, just 1993!. When did production stop?. New models such as the Omega are usually built initially after the summer shut downs i.e. September which in theory means that the last Carlton down the line was about July 1993 or July 1994. It could however have been at Xmas. There is always a need to shut the production line down to change all the stock and put in any new assembly fixtures, so the summer shutdown or over Xmas is possible. They also usually run a few vehicles down the line during the shutdown to see if all the parts fit and are available!
My club estate was registered 1.11.1993 so maybe the club did not reach 1994?
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 07:55:50 PM » |
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According to Wikipedia the Carlton was dropped from the lineup in spring 1994 so the last ones off the line would've been end of 1993 as you say. I think the date of registration is when it's actually put on the road is it not? Your Club would've been made before then, probrably as a L or GL model, then as production ended and they needed to shift the remaining stock they threw on a few extras and called it a Club.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 08:30:43 PM » |
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That's what I found. On the front of the Haynes manual, it does say Nov 1986 to 1994 (D to L registration). So, I assume that the last built models were in 1993 and they were registered in 1994 on an L reg.
However, in Brazil, the Carlton or Chevrolet Omega was registered as new as 1997. I seen that on a thread on here.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 01:38:45 AM » |
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The registered date is just that and the car could have been built probably weeks and possibly months earlier.
If you make a couple of assumptions like -
The replacement (Omega to us) was built on the same line as the Carlton.
There was no overlap in production which does happen although not often.
Then it would be easier to find out when the earliest Omegas were registered and assume that Carlton production stopped a little while before, you would get a better idea that way as old stock of Carltons might have been on sale for quite a while after the replacement started.
Of course if someone, perhaps a dealer, could advise build dates there would be no need at all for guessing and detective work. It would be interesting to know.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 08:30:29 AM » |
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Good point about a dealer Chris, but will they still have them on record, even though they are 'old' cars now?
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 08:35:31 AM » |
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A couple of M reg are kicking about (4 2.0 CD, 1 diamond and 1 GSI from memory)
A P plate Lotus was kicking around on ebay a few months back,
Not a carlton i know,but its the same thing, a collector in southern ireland has an R reg(yes 1998!) Senator, he sings all the songs and praises about it,but it is a white manual so was probley a Police training car on a skid pan until 1998 when a Omega replaced it,and it was de commisioned and dumped onto the public market
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 09:40:16 AM » |
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M reg I think is from september 1994? If the change to the Omega was at a summer shutdown which is the usual way, that would suggest the M reg cars were a year old when first registered - last build august 1993?. Quite possible if some dealers could not shift them.
Couldn't have been a summer shutdown 1994 change as there would be hundreds of M reg cars.
I doubt the Lotus was that easy to sell as it was very expensive, so it might have taken longer or it could have been reregistered at some time.
Anybody know the date of first registration for the Omega?. That would help to determine the change over period.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 10:15:28 AM » |
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I don't know when the Omega B was first registered, but they were launched in April 1994.
However, I have a Vauxhall brochure V7363, 1994 models, edition number 1, published October 1993, that lists the full Carlton range including the Club estate.
Also, I have a Vauxhall brochure V7363 ??, 1994 models, edition number 2, published May 1994, that lists the full Omega range.
Why both brochures have the same V7363 code on the bottom right hand corner of the back cover, I dunno.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 04:05:46 PM » |
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I'm sure the first Omegas came out on the L plate, not many at a guess as most people would wait for the newer registration.
I think the police bought quite a few Senators near the end of production as they loved them so much, hence plenty of M reg examples still knocking about.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 07:45:21 PM » |
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owned 2 L. plate 93 registered omega,s
last 500 24v senator were handbuilt along side the the omega production line in 94
these were requested by the police and various other govermnent departments
most had full options including aircon!! some manuals and some auto
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 10:28:31 PM » |
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OK. So if we have an L reg 1993 Omega I would suggest the change over was during the summer shutdown of 1993 with possibly the carlton still running on into the autumn/winter to use up old stock. The first Omega's would have been available around september ?? Open to any other suggestions.
During 1993 was when Vauxhall/Opel were offering extras and the run out Diamond & Diplomat ??
What sometimes happens is that the first run of a new model goes wrong on the line such as missing parts so they have to do something and continue with the Carlton. Stopping a line for any reason is a no no with sackings! It costs ten of thousands now when a line stops. Or, they are not selling and stop it deliberately.
There may have also been 2 or more assembly lines, so they could have been running concurrently on 2 separate lines but they would not want to do this for long as they would find it difficult to sell the Carltons. Its also not unusual to stockpile cars like the Omega until they were ready to launch. Sadly a new car can sometimes be a year old!
Presumably the factory in Germany(?) was also assembling other models so the Omegas could have gone down one of these lines. I think all the Carltons were built in Germany?? Only time I worked for GM in the UK was IBC vehicles at Luton designing the Frontera which I worked on. I was putting the VM Motori diesel in the prototype Fronteras' but they decided to use the Isuzu engine cos the VM Motori engines were blowing up. But thats another story..................Wrong radiators!
Any GM Germany workers in TC who can comment?
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 11:58:52 AM » |
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Keith, you are correct, all the Carltons were built in Germany.
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