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« on: March 09, 2011, 06:06:20 AM »

Anyone knows if & where we can find one?
I was thinking that maybe it's an Irmscher item, like the front grille.





At least something similar?
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 05:50:34 PM »

I can understand why its positioned where it is above the turbos (well not quite, needs to be nearer the middle. Thats more above the strut top!  Roll Eyes) but thats one of the prototype parts I'm glad they dropped. I much prefer a balanced look which the two bonnet vents on production cars have.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 06:26:08 PM »

They where so that rain water had a clear path to rust the chasis leg by the power steering pump ,
turns out they weren't needed after all   Grin  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 06:34:09 PM »

I actually really like that look. Far cleaner lines than the LC items, however having seen the heat haze and felt how hot the air is coming out of the LC vents I'm not convinced that single vent would do bugger all!!
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 07:33:59 PM »

putting 2 astra gsi vents on mine  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2011, 09:08:57 PM »

putting 2 astra gsi vents on mine  Wink

Wouldn't work on an Elsie - I think the Astra vents were fitted to allow cold air in as opposed the the Elsie vents allowing hot air out.
That and the fact that they's nowhere near big enough for the Elsie! Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 09:11:22 PM »

Anyone knows if & where we can find one?
I was thinking that maybe it's an Irmscher item, like the front grille.





At least something similar?

That's an Irmscher front grille?
Can't say I fully agree with you there.
It would have been made by either Lotus themselves or (more probably), The Dove Company. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2011, 01:25:44 AM »

According to an old pm of U.D., it's an irmscher grille



Sadly my inbox got full and deleted so I can't remember the exact part number but I'm sure U.D. can!
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 01:44:06 AM »

It was indeed an Irmscher item Pete used on Lotus Omega prototype GG-NV 355 which was also known as G929 SPP here in the UK.... Wink

For those who never saw the car and are interested, it was Irmscher part number i43 01 015!

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 03:24:35 AM »

According to an old pm of U.D., it's an irmscher grille

Sadly my inbox got full and deleted so I can't remember the exact part number but I'm sure U.D. can!

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 06:44:30 PM »

Aah, so Lotus kinda copied Irmscher's idea then!
Plagiarists, the lot of 'em! Grin
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2011, 08:23:51 PM »

Aah, so Lotus kinda copied Irmscher's idea then!
Plagiarists, the lot of 'em! Grin

You are not wrong there Pete and more than one or two ideas were stolen! Why do you think that the Irmscher Omega Evolution 500's and the Lotus Omega's look so very similar to each other mate?

For a long time, Opel with the help of Irmscher thought that they had the contract to build GM's new four door Supercar and began work on said project. When the American's finally made up their minds and pulled the rug from underneath Opel by giving the contract to Hethel, that's when Opel played really, REALLY dirty and made the Lotus Omega's/Lotus Carlton's birth as difficult as it could possibly be. That's why completed cars were first shipped from Germany to Norfolk to be stripped and then modified into Lotus's. The Labour intensity required to do all that almost killed the project dead before the first cars were built!

Its all documented in the Ian Adcock book.

This potentially disasterous inhouse bickering made the famous old British Leyland/Austin/Morris/Rover/Jaguar/MG/Wolsley inhouse battles of the 1960's and 1970's look liek petty spats in comparison Pete.... Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 01:25:20 PM »

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Opel played really, REALLY dirty and made the Lotus Omega's/Lotus Carlton's birth as difficult as it could possibly be. That's why completed cars were first shipped from Germany to Norfolk to be stripped and then modified into Lotus's. The Labour intensity required to do all that almost killed the project dead before the first cars were built!

I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. From what I know car production lines are highly automated and the cost and implications of altering the flow of parts or stopping the lines or altering things to allow the fitment of special parts etc is phenomenal. That's why it is often cheaper to build complete cars and tear them apart once they've come off the line especially for low volume stuff or build them on a separate line as BMW used to do with their M cars. Also I've heard it said that completed cars are much easier to move around for transportation wich makes sense really.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 06:23:02 PM »

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Opel played really, REALLY dirty and made the Lotus Omega's/Lotus Carlton's birth as difficult as it could possibly be. That's why completed cars were first shipped from Germany to Norfolk to be stripped and then modified into Lotus's. The Labour intensity required to do all that almost killed the project dead before the first cars were built!

I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. From what I know car production lines are highly automated and the cost and implications of altering the flow of parts or stopping the lines or altering things to allow the fitment of special parts etc is phenomenal. That's why it is often cheaper to build complete cars and tear them apart once they've come off the line especially for low volume stuff or build them on a separate line as BMW used to do with their M cars. Also I've heard it said that completed cars are much easier to move around for transportation wich makes sense really.

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That's fine Duke, Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mate! I will suggest that you read the Adcock book though for a better understanding of this challenging time twenty years ago.

I'm an ex-Lucas Girling employee myself, I started there as a humble Apprentice and left a decade later as a Grade III Craftsman. When we in the 1990's had to supply customers like Ford with brand new brake components for older out of production cars that they had sold at least a decade before (like the FWD Series 1 Escort RS Turbo)...dedicated Teams across the Drumbrake and Caliper departments were set up to reproduce the required obsolete stock order. Ok these reproduction orders didn't go anywhere near our Factory's then modern Robot Cells, so these components were made the old fashioned way using our onsite Toolroom and its machines with lots of manpower too.

Production numbers could be anything from as little as just a 100 finished components to well over a 1,000,000 parts plus as the Customer got exactly what the Customer wanted. Obviously these Teams manpower size depended on the quantities required on the order and our loyal Customers were charged allot more for this more personal service but it wasn't at all an inconvenience to the rest of the factories production lines and facilities like you described Duke.

At that time, when Lucas was developing new technologies for both car and heavy duty braking systems, we could have companies like Lamborghini to Rover or Volvo to ERF send us as many mule vehicles as we wanted or needed and these never seemed to upset any of their car manufacturing processes either.

Mind you this was back when Lucas Girlings was developing stuff like the ABS system for the Lamborghini Diablo and the aluminium rear drum brake for the Mercedes A class which was all done only a short time after the 1990 to 1992 production years for the Lotus Carlton/Lotus Omega at Lotus in Hethel. Anyway, I've digressed here a bit.... Embarrassed

Roll onto 2011...Watching the "Megafactories" series on Sky's Discovery channel now shows that the modern computerisation of car production lines can now make it very easy indeed to send any vehicle at any stage of its production where ever the operator wants it to go in the Factory. These TV programs have shown me companies like Chevrolet rejecting Camaro shells and sending these off for re-welding in another factory deparment to Porsche re-jecting, re-painting and then re-baking its quality paint process after defects were found too.

Talking of Porsche, it also showed how any custom one off coloured paint could be done to any Porsche vehicle whilst it was sat in a normal sequence on the standard Porsche production line. So why dosen't this special action throw a spanner in the works of the Automated production line then??

So if all of that can be done by a simple click of a mouse or by an operator pushing a button, Read a copy of the Adcock book and see how a severe lack of inhouse cooperation and Global recession nearly killed off the Lotus Carlton/Lotus Omega Duke.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 08:20:24 PM »

I'd like to see the workers trying to modify the rear arches on a moving production line.  Wink
What you say may well be true but I also know that the first Focus RS's rolled off the lines with standard steel wheels as the production line tracks weren't wide enough to accomodate its wide alloy wheels, the model was either not planned at the launch or something like the spec changed during development, obviously it's cheaper to fit them later than stop and modify the production line for what would be relatively a small number of cars.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 11:02:56 PM »

My Father Outlaw worked on the Omega line (they never referred to them as Carltons, apparently) at Lotus for a few months.The lines at Lotus aren't as quick as mass volume car producers either.

it seems that Lotus received GSi Omegas fully built, sent over from Germany and then stripped them (apparently).
By all the accounts that I have heard (I knew a few people at Lotus at the time), it was, as Mr. Duke says, easier than pulling cars from the line at Russelsheim and shipping a shed load of bits over.

I have merely flicked through Ian Adcock's book, but never had the opportunity to peruse it at leisure, so can't comment on what he's written or from what standpoint he's written it from.
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